[美国JRs之声]裁判还是时代问题？詹姆斯、威少等球员冲击篮筐多罚球次数却少
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attempted from within 5 feet this season: 1) Giannis 2) LeBron. Yet, while
Giannis is second in free-throw attempts, James is 21st.
本赛季的篮下出手次数排名，字母哥与位列前两名。不过，字母哥罚球出手次数排名第2，而詹姆斯是第21名。
also only had 1 FTA against the Heat despite 9 of his shots coming from within
the paint. He's also averaging a career low 5.4 FTA per game this season. Kind
of understandable to see why LeBron would get frustrated.
Jason Lloyd of The Athletic
此外，在对阵队的比赛中，尽管詹姆斯命中的投篮中有9球是在禁区内，也只获得了1次罚球机会。本赛季他也创造了职业生涯单赛季场均罚球出手数的新低，5.4次。这就能理解为什么詹姆斯会感到沮丧了。
消息源：The Athletic，杰森-洛伊德。
[–][CLE] Kevin LoveReallyBigShow 218 指標 12小時前
think we need to consider that people don't want to get in front of Lebron on
his way to the rim either, it's like getting hit by a train.
all know Lebron doesn't get the ticky-tack-touch fouls like some players
because he doesn't sell the flops as much anymore and he's strong as fuck and
just powers right through any minor contact.
球迷：我觉得我们还得考虑到这么一点，球员们可不想站在詹姆斯突破的路线上，那就像是被一辆火车撞上啊。
我们都知道詹姆斯不像一些球员一样能得到体毛哨，因为他现在被犯规后的表演欲望没那么强了，而且他忒壮了，轻微的身体对抗根本就对他造不成伤害。[–]CavaliersYaqzn[S] 59 指標 12小時前
point but I don't know if I'd rather get in front of Giannis on his way to the
骑士球迷：很公正的观点。但是我不清楚我是不是宁愿选择站在字母哥的突破路线上。
[–]Buckspanos_akilas 77 指標 14小時前
didn't enjoy it
贝恩斯可不喜欢这样哦。
[–][DAL] Rodrigue
Beauboispm_me_your_trees_plz 24 指標 10小時前
Giannis is a twig compared to LeBron.
啥？跟詹姆斯比字母哥就是个嫩雏啊。
[–][DET] Chauncey BillupsLionnn101 54 指標 8小時前
is far from a twig, even compared to lebron. His body transformation since
entering the league has given him one of the leagues most impressive physiques
哪怕是跟詹姆斯比，字母哥也跟嫩雏搭不上边儿啊。自从进入联盟以来，他身形的变化让他成为联盟里最亮眼的身材之一啊。
[–]Warriorsnotsellingjeans 359 指標 11小時前
Giannis' length gets him some calls. He can get that wingspan underneath and thru a
defenders' arm on the way to the rim.
字母哥身高臂长，容易造犯规。他在突破时可以利用两条大长胳膊与防守球员制造身体接触。
[–][CLE] Kevin Lovequentin-coldwater
1967 指標 12小時前
I don't think he's getting more bad no-calls than usual (he always has gotten a
lot of no-calls). His footwork has improved to the point that he's getting more
blowbys rather than finishing in heavy traffic as much.
骑士球迷：说老实话，我不觉得他比以往要没哨（詹无哨也不是一天两天的事了）。他的脚步有所进步，相比以往扛着防守球员艰难地突破，他开始更多地用巧劲儿得分了。
[–]Celticsinfinnity 122 指標 11小時前
his finesse game is insane now. He looks like Kyrie's game in Karl Malone's
body, I've never seen anything like it. I would have been stunned to learn that
LeBron would be this skilled with his ball control, finesse finishing and
outside shooting if I told myself such a thing 6-7 years ago.
是的，现在他的技术活玩儿得飞起啊。他就像是在用卡尔-马龙的身体打着凯里-欧文风格的比赛一样，我从没见过有谁能这样。要是我在6、7年前跟自己说，詹姆斯在控球、外围投射还有终结那一下的手活上像现在这样有技巧，我估计会惊掉下巴吧。
[–]BJays177 43 指標 8小時前
anyone see his 6 step one a few days ago that was not called a travel?
没有人看到他几天前的那个6步上篮么？那不算走步么？
[–]76ersunbelievre 227 指標 8小時前*
keep up the comparison, if Giannis took six steps he would be in the parking
继续比较他们二者的话，要是字母哥用了6步的话，他应该都杀到球场外的停车场了吧。
[–][DET] Chauncey BillupsLionnn101 26 指標 8小時前
have been called a jump ball. Simmons hand on the ball kept james from
releasing, forcing another step.
那球应该判争球吧。注意那另外一步，西蒙斯的手摁在球上阻止詹姆斯投篮呢。
[–]Timberwolveslosapher 25 指標 8小時前
was actually another angle where you can see the ball dislodged
其实这球有另外一个角度的视频，球好像已经脱手了。
[–][DET] Chauncey BillupsLionnn101 37 指標 8小時前
Interesting.
That makes it a clean bucket, no?
有点儿意思。所以这球应该没毛病吧。是吧？
[–]Warriorsnotsellingjeans 1023 指標 11小時前
agree with this. Lebron's Eurostep in semi-transition these days is so fucking
clean for a guy his size and weight. He is eluding people rather than
bulldozing thru them. Probably good for his longevity and reduces offensive
foul calls against him perhaps, too.
我同意楼上骑士球迷的观点。对这样一个身高与吨位的球员而言，詹姆斯这些天在半场转换中的欧洲步脚步交代的真的很干净。他更多地是机智地避对手之锋芒，而不是扛着炸药包冲进人堆里。可能这样也有利于延长他的职业生涯，减少在他身上吹的进攻犯规吧。
[–]Rocketsdaguitarguy 409 指標 9小時前
miss Karl Malone and Barkley bulldozing brave defenders knowing they would not
take more than 1 charge.
我有些怀念卡尔-马龙和撵着那些勇敢的防守人打球的场景了，他们心里很清楚，那帮防守球员再不要命也不敢造第二次进攻犯规。
[–]izvoodoo 323 指標 8小時前
some of those 90s guys just came into the lane with that "You sweet summer
child" look in their eyes.
大兄弟，90年代的一些球员冲进禁区的时候，满眼都是“哎，你个夏日娇嫩的雏菊，看我生吞活剥了你”的神情。[译注1][译注1]来自于《权力的游戏》（冰与火之歌），是经历过严寒的北方人民对君临及其他南部地区的鄙夷的说法。往往伴随着winter is coming。
[–]Wizardsdevotedhero 771 指標 8小時前
Malone tended to have that look in his eyes throughout his life it seems.
卡尔-马龙听到雏菊两个字两眼就放光。[译注2][译注2]卡尔-马龙曾经与一位十二三岁的少女发生过性关系，那位少女生下的孩子后来进入了NFL。但马龙拒绝与他相认。一般来说，reddit提到马龙的帖子都会对他这个丑闻口诛笔伐。
[–]JazzMegaminds_Chode 197 指標 8小時前
nowhere is safe
球迷：到哪里都中枪啊！
[–]NBAToastedMayonnaise 258 指標 8小時前
like when Karl is on the prowl.
就跟马龙“狩猎”一样，弹无虚发。
[–][MEM] Marc Gasolmrmock89 94 指標 7小時前
Malone has been fired from USPS for sexual harassment
卡尔-马龙因为性骚扰的缘故被美国邮政管理局解雇了。[译注3][译注3]邮差马龙本梗。
[–]Celticsbssmark 70 指標 5小時前
why does the Mailman keep coming on Sundays?"
“妈妈妈妈，那个大黑汉邮差为什么周日还来啊？？“
[–]nowhathappenedwas 183 指標 9小時前
is tied for 30th in the NBA in FGA with a defender within 2 feet of him.
在被防守人贴身防守的情况下，詹姆斯的出手次数并列排在联盟第30位。
字母哥则排名第4位。
[–]CavaliersZskrabs24 89 指標 8小時前
is also allergic to jump shots. You will always have a closer defender in the
paint. As a percentage of shot selection, I'd venture to guess lebron takes far
more shots 10+ feet from the basket.
字母哥也不太喜欢跳投结束进攻。在禁区里总会有名防守人在贴身防守你的。依照投篮选择百分比来讲，我敢说詹姆斯篮下3米外的投篮会更多一些。
[–][MIL] Mo Williamsiamtheraptor 60 指標 8小時前
made a three yesterday. Look out world.
球迷：字母哥昨天命中了一记三分。地球人，小心了！
[–]Nuggets1aJokic1bMJ 185 指標 7小時前
correct comparison isn't with Giannis, but with the 19 other players that
leapfrogged Lebron on the FTA.
我觉得詹姆斯和字母哥这么比较不太正确，应该罚球出手数前20名里的其他19名球员轮番和詹姆斯对比。
[–][MIL] Giannis
Antetokounmpoparkertokounmpo 318 指標 12小時前
difference between Giannis and Lebron (1st and 2nd) is bigger than the
difference between Lebron and Gobert (2nd and 12th). But yeah, Lebron’s FTA per
game are pretty low.
字母哥与詹姆斯之间（分别位列第1和第2名）的差距比詹姆斯和戈贝尔（分别位列第2名和第12名）之间的还要大。不过没错，詹姆斯的场均罚球出手次数确实太低了。
[–]TimberwolvesShhadowcaster 54 指標 10小時前
FTA? Or by shots at the rim?
这是罚球出手数的排名还是篮筐附近出手数的排名的啊？
[–][HOU] James Hardencartesiansmoove
135 指標 9小時前
by the rim probably. I doubt Gobert is 12th in FTA. Also we know that Giannis
is 2nd in FTs. My main man Literally Hitler gotta be first. Giannis is first in
shots by the rim.
球迷：可能是后者。我感觉戈贝尔的罚球出手数不太可能排第12。我们还知道字母哥的罚球命中数排名第2。我的【绝对是希特勒】登哥应该是第1。字母哥的篮筐附近出手数排第1。[译注4][译注4]几年前，在reddit被黑的很惨，后来逐渐淡去，人们开始反思，就开涮说看哈登被黑的样子，不知道的还以为他是希特勒呢(literally hitler）。逐渐流传为一个梗，literally hitler也是哈登在reddit的外号之一。
[–]KingsToeknee99 100 指標 9小時前
long as Harden is alive, one will never have to ask who the FTA leader is.
只要哈登还活着，就没必要再问谁在领跑罚球出手数了。
[–]CavalierslamWizard 129 指標 8小時前
will be coming off the bench in 2028 scoring 8 PPG on 1/1 shooting.
哈登会在2028年作为替补出战，场均1投1中，砍下8分。
[–]CelticsGosh_Jomes 27 指標 10小時前
apply the Shaq rules to Lebron. Fouls that look like fouls on any other player
don't appear the same on Lebron because of his size and strength.
詹姆斯就像当初的啊。那些对其他任何球员而言都可能是犯规的犯规在詹姆斯身上就不算一回事儿了，因为他高大的身形和健壮的体格。
[–][CLE] LeBron Jamestmill23 109 指標 12小時前
should just start flailing his arms every drive like harden
他就应该像哈登那样每次突破的时候把他的胳膊扬起来。
[–]NBAsunnyice 102 指標 10小時前
falling down on every jump shot like curry.
或者像库里那样每次投篮后倒地。
[–]CelticsGosh_Jomes 65 指標 10小時前
or drive, doesn't matter. Curry is hitting that ground. I Wonder who leads the
lead in hitting the deck? John Wall? Russ? Mirotic?
不管是跳投还是突破，库里最后肯定要跟地面来个亲密接触。我想知道谁摔在地板上的次数最多。？威少？还是米罗蒂奇？[译注5][译注5]米罗蒂奇在赛季开始阶段曾被波蒂斯一拳打进医院。
[–][CLE] Matthew DellavedovaDrummondFTCoach
74 指標 10小時前
08-9 Wade still leads the league.
2008-09赛季的吧。
[–]76ersShrekIsNotDrek 20 指標 8小時前
that not a way to protect his ankles which have a pretty rough injury history?
对于一个有伤病史的球员（库里）而言，这难道不是一种保护自己脚踝的方式么？
[–]Warriorsaahdin 26 指標 6小時前
is, and he's been doing it for years.
said he did have a trainer coach him on how to get foul calls over the off
season (things like grunting whenever he's fouled). Likely the reason he's
averaging so many more fts this season than previously
球迷：是这样的，而且他这么做很长时间了。
即便如此，他也确实在休赛期找了教练教他如何争取哨子（比如每当被犯规时要去向裁判抱怨）。或许这就是他本赛季场均罚球命中数远比以往要多的原因吧。
[–]Warriorsorchid_breeder 44 指標 9小時前
more ankle injury prevention technique than foul drawing.
勇士球迷：相较于造犯规技巧，这更像是预防脚踝受伤的技巧吧。
[–][OKC] Russell Westbrookdrdownvotes12
345 指標 12小時前*
Meanwhile,
Steph fucking Curry is averaging 6.6 FTA (more than Russell Westbrook) with 3.4
drives per game. Russ is averaging 7.6 drives per game for reference (the same
as he did last season). Steph is actually averaging FEWER drives per game this
year than last year (3.4 vs 4.5) and getting more calls.
球迷：与此同时，库里特么场均3.4次突破的情况下场均出手6.6次罚球（多于拉塞尔-）。作为参考，威少场均7.6次突破（与上赛季持平）。库里这赛季真的在场均突破比上赛季少，对，是少的情况下（3.4比4.5）得到了更多哨子。
is so fucking stupid. He's getting a foul called almost equally as often as he
这也太蠢了吧。基本上库里每次突破都能制造一次犯规。
do not like the way refs are reffing shit this year. They're rewarding jump
shooters drawing fouls and punishing people trying to score at the rim. This is
the opposite of what I thought the "Harden Rule" was going to do. I
don't see why anyone would want this. Guys like LeBron and Russ should get the
foul doing what they do, but I feel like Russ gets more foul calls when he gets
tapped on a jump shot than when he gets hit on the head driving into the paint.
我不喜欢这个赛季裁判的吹罚。他们鼓励投手制造犯规，而对那些尝试冲击篮筐得分的球员却十分苛刻。这跟我设想中应对“哈登法则”的做法完全不同啊。我不明白为什么人人会想要这种结果。像詹姆斯和威少这样的球员就应该博得犯规，做他们平常所做的事，但是我感觉威少投篮被打手时得到的哨子比他突破杀进禁区被打到头时的还要多啊。
[–]Timberwolvesflusteredmanatee 182 指標 10小時前
get what you're saying. But why does it have to correlate perfectly? I
understand the refs haven't been good, but that wouldn't necessarily make your
reasoning 100% valid.
我明白你想说什么。但是这两件事为什么要有必然联系啊？我知道裁判的表现不尽如人意，但这并不一定会使你的推断是100%正确的。
for ex. Someone pointed out that Lebron recently uses more footwork to get to
the basket rather than driving straight into traffic. While Steph Curry is
pretty small in stature for an NBA player and he gets pushed around easily when
比如说，有人就指出詹姆斯最近更多地利用脚步去冲击篮筐而不是直接杀进去（所以罚球少了）。然而对于一名NBA球员而言，库里的身材真的太小了，当他突破的时候很容易就被推搡。
[–]NBAwhy_rob_y 68 指標 9小時前*
While Steph Curry is pretty small in
stature for an NBA player and he gets pushed around easily when driving.
I agree drives/fouls shouldn't correlate perfectly, but as for this quoted part
though, I don't think should matter, ideally (his size). If you hit Curry and
LeBron with similar force, they should get the same call (or no call),
regardless of whose shot it changes more. A guy with good size should have that
size as an asset, not a negative.
“然而对于一名NBA球员而言，库里的身材真的太小了，当他突破的时候很容易就被推搡。”
你看，我同意突破和哨子之间并没有必然联系，但是这部分印证在概念上（他的身材），我不认为和哨子有关联。如果库里和詹姆斯被差不多的力道侵犯了，他们应该得到相同的吹罚（或者没有吹罚），而不是谁的投篮动作改变的幅度更大。一个有着出色体格的球员就应该享有其带来的优势，而不应成为消极因素。
players don't get a benefit with perimeter calls because they're slower -
smaller players shouldn't benefit from being small when it comes to contact in
don't mean to say you think it should work like this (smaller players
benefiting more than bigger players), I just mean that that's how it's called
in real life, unfortunately.
大个子球员在外线防守时的吹罚并不占优势，因为他们速度更慢；小个球员在禁区内有身体接触时不应该因为他们身材小就占什么便宜。
我的意思不是说你认为小个球员在判罚上比大个球员要占便宜，我只是想说，不幸的是，在现实中，就是这么吹罚的。
[–]RaptorsPurplePupilEater 36 指標 7小時前
It's about time Curry gets some fucking calls. Dude has been getting hammered
the past 5 years with nothing to show for it. Meanwhile Lebron initiates
contact every time he drives to the hoop and there is never a call. It's nice
to see a change for once.
库里罚球多啦？很好。库里也该有点哨了。在过去的5年里，他一直在遭受各种身体对抗，然而表现在罚球数上却没有那么可观。而詹姆斯呢，每次冲击篮筐的时候都主动找对抗，然而却没哨啦。山水轮流转啊。
[–]76ersShrekIsNotDrek 64 指標 8小時前
the way Curry gets absolutely abused nearly the whole game I'm surprised he
isn't shooting even more free throws.
鉴于库里几乎整场比赛完全都在被虐待，我很惊讶他才获得这么些个罚球。
[–]WarriorseBelieve 73 指標 9小時前
spend entire games trying to rough up Curry. He should be shooting more.
勇士球迷：对手的防守在整场比赛都对库里野蛮对待。他应该获得更多罚球。更多精彩内容请扫描二维码或微信搜索“美国JRs之声”点击关注微博【】【】译者：看球员实时投篮点分布图，快下载虎扑App
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赞赏了20虎扑币
这些回帖亮了
哈登法则让威少，巴特勒们陷入低迷，让乐邦罚球骤减。而哈登自己As long as Harden is alive, one will never have to ask who the FTA leader is.只要哈登还活着，就没必要再问谁在领跑罚球出手数了。
詹姆斯：裁判觉得我打不死，卢指导认为我累不死，我觉得我简直就是超人
你看，我同意突破和哨子之间并没有必然联系，但是这部分印证在概念上（他的身材），我不认为和哨子有关联。如果库里和詹姆斯被差不多的力道侵犯了，他们应该得到相同的吹罚（或者没有吹罚），而不是谁的投篮动作改变的幅度更大。一个有着出色体格的球员就应该享有其带来的优势，而不应成为消极因素。
引用3楼 @ 发表的:詹姆斯：裁判觉得我打不死，卢指导认为我累不死，我觉得我简直就是超人今天要不是锁喉，感觉还可能吹詹姆斯进攻犯规
这场不光没哨子，还被裁判盯上了。联盟该彻查一次裁判赌球了。
发自手机虎扑
詹姆斯，安东尼：我们已经习惯了.......
骑士球迷：我觉得我们还得考虑到这么一点，球员们可不想站在詹姆斯突破的路线上，那就像是被一辆火车撞上啊。老詹的突破真的就像坦克一样，挡都挡不住
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卡尔-马龙听到雏菊两个字两眼就放光太6了。。。
引用19楼 @ 发表的:哈登法则让威少，巴特勒们陷入低迷，让乐邦罚球骤减。而哈登自己As long as Harden is alive, one will never have to ask who the FTA leader is.只要哈登还活着，就没必要再问谁在领跑罚球出手数了。Harden will be coming off the bench in 2028 scoring 8 PPG on 1/1 shooting.哈登会在2028年作为替补出战，场均1投1中，砍下8分。
造犯规是门技术活，火蜜为登哥不知道说了多少次了，可其他球迷总是用嘲讽的语气说这样影响比赛观赏性，碰瓷登，景德镇可今年联盟出台了哈登法则以后，其他球迷就开始抱怨他们的球星要不到哨了，造犯规已经可以不影响比赛观赏性了反而火蜜们除了赛季初抱怨了一下就不支声了，因为哈登竟然已经适应了哈登法则据说莱昂纳德去年休赛期为了学习怎么造犯规，研究的就是登哥的比赛录像所以说，造犯规是门技术活，是要研究学习的，是需要球商的，不是傻傻的冲进去，然后坐地上双手一摊就能得到哨子的，以前只是因为规则如此，现在规则变了就要适应，适应不了就不要怨天怨地
引用3楼 @ 发表的:詹姆斯：裁判觉得我打不死，卢指导认为我累不死，我觉得我简直就是超人这还不明白？一看就是nike的打压，该死的nike TXTX
随着一声哨响，詹姆斯拿着球看着裁判心中不解：刚才我被碰到了？没感觉到…
引用51楼 @ 发表的:今天要不是锁喉，感觉还可能吹詹姆斯进攻犯规连教科书式的造犯规都不给，乐福那个三分都没敢造
骑士球迷：我觉得我们还得考虑到这么一点，球员们可不想站在詹姆斯突破的路线上，那就像是被一辆火车撞上啊。老詹的突破真的就像坦克一样，挡都挡不住
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该回帖被灭过多，已被折叠
又想漂外面投3分 又想给哨子。。。。。
詹姆斯：裁判觉得我打不死，卢指导认为我累不死，我觉得我简直就是超人
卡尔-马龙听到雏菊两个字两眼就放光太6了。。。
詹姆斯，安东尼：我们已经习惯了.......
[–]izvoodoo 323&指標&8小時前Man some of those 90s guys just came into the lane with that "You sweet summer child" look in their eyes.大兄弟，90年代的一些球员冲进禁区的时候，满眼都是“哎，你个夏日娇嫩的雏菊，看我生吞活剥了你”的神情。[译注1][译注1]来自于《权力的游戏》（冰与火之歌），是经历过严寒的北方人民对君临及其他南部地区的鄙夷的说法。往往伴随着winter is coming。
这里配上权力游戏的注解，实在太有意思了...&看过的人也懂的
编辑掉编辑掉～惹不起惹不起
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随着一声哨响，詹姆斯拿着球看着裁判心中不解：刚才我被碰到了？没感觉到…
哈登法测？我的错
这场不光没哨子，还被裁判盯上了。联盟该彻查一次裁判赌球了。
发自手机虎扑
引用内容被灭过多已被折叠詹姆斯虽然这赛季加强了外线三分，但是同时也是内线出手第二多啊，没看主贴吗？
你看，我同意突破和哨子之间并没有必然联系，但是这部分印证在概念上（他的身材），我不认为和哨子有关联。如果库里和詹姆斯被差不多的力道侵犯了，他们应该得到相同的吹罚（或者没有吹罚），而不是谁的投篮动作改变的幅度更大。一个有着出色体格的球员就应该享有其带来的优势，而不应成为消极因素。
引用内容被灭过多已被折叠你没看场均突破次数？
哈登法则吧。
潮退了才知道谁在裸泳
引用内容被灭过多已被折叠篮下出手所有球员第二，还叫在外面漂三分，只因为三分准？
引用内容被灭过多已被折叠这不就是詹姆斯的厉害之处吗
如果裁判不*河蟹*，詹姆斯得分还能在往上涨
就跟奥胖巅峰火花姚明他们似的，裁判觉得你太强壮了，就给你另一种标准的判罚尺度
真的不公平
詹姆斯被恶意犯规太多，换其他人早就报销，詹姆斯壮吃亏，用力对手倒下去进攻犯规
发自手机虎扑
哈登法则让威少，巴特勒们陷入低迷，让乐邦罚球骤减。而哈登自己As long as Harden is alive, one will never have to ask who the FTA leader is.只要哈登还活着，就没必要再问谁在领跑罚球出手数了。
别人会防 犯规少不正常？
突破次数必须要和罚球数成正比？？？
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